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. if the nation heads over the fiscal cliff. >> consumer spending will go down. that means you've got less customers. businesses get fewer profits. they hire fewer workers. you go on a downward spiral. >> reporter: the president met with house speaker john boehner at the white house. their face-to-face meeting in three weeks. neither side would offer any details from the discussion, which may be a good sign of modest progress. but a spokesman for the republican leader said boehner did not back down. his offer to the white house last week is still the gop's position in the fiscal cliff talks. that plan offers a total of $2.2 trillion in deficit reduction over the next decade, including $800 billion in new tax revenue, but no increases on the top 2% of taxpayers. that's where the stalemate seems to be centered. president obama insists taxes on the wealthy must go up. >> but when they start making a million or 10 million or 20 million, you can afford to pay a little more. >> reporter: several republicans indicated that's a concession they're willing to make. >> will i accept a tax increase as
for him. if he goes off to hawaii and spends three weeks there, and no deal happens and the fiscal cliff hits and we've got the largest tax increase in history and the markets plummet and he's sitting over there splashing in the surf, i don't think he can do it. >> i wonder what other nations think about us? this is, you know, is it a terrible problem we are going through right now, but we look like we can't handle our own business. we can't talk to each other, we can't figure out our own economics, and i can't think what kind of morale authority do we have in the world when we look so pathetic, so pathetic in terms of how we handle things and the fact that we don't? >> the problem with the american people is today they are -- greta, they are as deeply divided and polarized as we have almost ever been. look what boehner is could go right now in making a deal. he's violates his fundamental principles. he's violatings a commitment he made to the american people. he's doing something that he thinks will hurt the american economy, $800 million of tax on job creators, he's splitting his party
in spending cuts. susan mcginnis reports there are few signs ever progress to fix this fiscal cliff so far. >> reporter: social security workers marched outside their office in baltimore wednesday. they're protesting the government spending cuts due to kick in at the end ever the year as part of the fiscal cliff. >> we don't want to see our public hurt in any way. >> reporter: just down the road in washington, d.c., the standoff continues. house speaker john boehner says he is still waiting for president obama to make his next counteroffer to the republican plan he rejected. >> we need a response from the white house. we can't sit here and negotiate with ourselves. >> reporter: the president and boehner spoke on the phone wednesday but republicans want more. >> we want to sit down with the. we want to talk specifics. >> reporter: whether the talks happen on the phone or in person, here on capitol hill or at the white house, there will be no deal without a compromise on taxes, something that does not appear likely any time soon. >> an obsession to raise taxes is not going to solve the probl
and not spending cuts in averting the fiscal cliff. >> the facts are at that point the 39.6% does produce the revenue. the differentiation between 39.6% and the 28% at that the president has for limitation on deduction creates a great deal of money as well. >> one conservative financial commentator suggests the likely outcome of the fiscal cliff talks won't be the end of the world. >> we will have taxes that are the same as the taxes were under bill clinton. we did find that we will do fine. >> the question is whether the negotiations will lead to making other tough choices such as washington getting a handle on the growth of government. if not, the european example seems to suggest fiscal trouble to our shores as well. >> john: thanks. the stock were mixed. dow gained 81. s&p 500 up 4. president obama visits detroit and he will see upset people there. mike tobin has the effect. >> michigan democrats say they can't stop, as the republicans have the numbers so despite the angry protests the legislation that rick schneider calls freedom to work will pass the final vote on tuesday. we have h
out of balance. a large piece of the fiscal cliff is $94 billion in automatic government spending cuts over the next year. part of a trillion dollars in federal cuts over the next decade though even with these cuts the federal government is still projected to spend more each year over the next decade. to put this in perspective, one former cbo director says the costs of hurricane sandy could easily wipe out most of next year's savings. >> with a trillion dollar deficit right now. so if you cut 94 billion and nothing else changes you barely dented the deficit. the other programs are growing. we'll not see spending decline. in fact we'll likely have a emergency spending bill for sandy that is 60 billion. 94 is gone right there. >> even with a trillion dollars in cuts federal spending is on the way up every year starting with 3.5 trillion this fiscal year. nearly 3.6 trillion in 2014. 4 trillion by 2016 and 5 trillion by 2021. the cbo says even allowing 5 trillion in tax increases to hit the economy the next decade the federal government still spends $2.3 trillion more than it takes in. b
be with us. next hero night, speaker boehner and their presidential trade fiscal cliff proposals and phone calls. the a-team sorting it out next, the a-team sorting it out next, and the ♪ music kids will spend 15 minutes watching online videos brushing for two minutes now, can save your child from severe tooth pain later. two minutes twice a day. they have the time. lou: general electric ceo jeffrey immelt said that -- is good for china, here he is on bloomberg tv. >> but, their government works. you know they get things done, they have 5 year plans, i tell our team, read the 12-5 year plan, the segment we're in what they are doing makes since in the chinese context. lou: remind you, immelt is president of the president's job council. new governmt data suggests that a massive exodus from high tax state of california. california lost 100,000 more residents than it gained last year, more going to more business-friendly. business-friendly, states like texas. and california public employees have highest salaries in the 12 most populous state, earning on average $60,000 a year. >> major victo
enrollment next october apparen. up next, we are going to turn our attention to the fiscal cliff with jim doyle and get a business perspective on that. later on, looking at the different aspects of the fiscal cliff talks. a closer look at domestic spending. we will be right back. >> ♪ [video clip] >> give it to him hard. >> he is not safe on that bus. >> i've been on that bus. they are just as good as gold. >> all of us in this country are starting to see people coming out and talking about their experience of this phenomenon that so many of us have experienced in one way or another and have had no words for, other than adolescents, other than growing up. finally people are starting to say, this is not actually ia normal part of growing up. moment where there's a possibility for change. we decided to start the movie out of that feeling that voices were bubbling up to the surface to say this is not something we can accept any more as a normal part of our culture. >> the filmmaker has followed up her award winning film by gathering essays and stories together in "bully." hear more saturda
will be raising taxes. we will be cutting spending. you say that even if we go over the fiscal cliff, you do not think the markets will "fall out of bed." clearly, there is some volatility there. >> i lose sleep at night on a number of things. i do not lose that much sleep that night and having the fiscal cliff go into 2013. quite honestly, and, i think i'll falling off the cliff is probably the wrong metaphor, what it ultimately does is takes hot water and turns on the heat. we are sitting in the water. the clock will be taking. we need it resolved. the longer it is not resolved the more of an effect it will have on our economy. if they ultimately come up with an agreement sometime mid-january, i don't think there is any harm. tracy: where you put your money? can you pick a sector real quick for us? >> sure. i would say income. perhaps utilities. utilities is a good example. for the first time in a long time, utilities are yielding more than high-quality corporate bonds. we are at near record levels. ashley: thank you so much for joining us. tracy: if they do not fiscal fiscal cliff housing
fear of republicans we cut a deal in the short term on fiscal cliff without any real spending reform or tax reform and won't have enough time or political will to get the real reforms that need to take place and republicans raise taxes and get no spending cuts. >> that's the biggest fear of democrats we don't deal with thi this. >> eugene, we were showing the tape of harry reid. we write, republicans must wise up. the biggest problem the republican party faces is not uninspiring candidates or unsound tactics, it is unpopular ideas. >> good lord, gene, you have just written a column i disagree with even more than jeff gre greenfeld's column. it will be one of the better segments. we can talk about that for five hours. keep reading, i can't wait to hear what's next. >> this reality was brought home in last month's election and playing out in the struggle over how to avoid the fiscal cliff and we will see it again in coming fights of immigration and entitlements and a host of other things. the sad thing is republicans get this stuff so wrong that democrats aren't even forced to go to th
week republicans made a serious offer to avert the fiscal cliff, and most of it was based on testimony given last year by president clinton's former chief of staff erskine bolles. as he said on sunday, we have to cut spending. well, he is right. washington has a spending problem. let's be honest, we're broke, and the plan that we've offered is consistent with the president's call for a balanced approach. a lot of people know that the president and i met on sunday. it was a nice meeting. cordal. we're still waiting for the white house to identify what spending cuts the president is willing to make as part of the balanced approach that he promised the american people. you know, where are the president's spending cuts? the longer the white house slow walks this process, the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff. here's what we do know. we know that the president wants more stimulus spending and an increase in the debt limit without any cuts or reforms. that's not physicianing our problem. frankly, it's making it worse. on top of that, the president wants to raise tax rates on many s
to the fiscal cliff. here's what we do know. we know that the president wants more stimulus spending and an increase in the debt limit without any cuts or reforms. that's not fixing our problem, frankly, it's making it worse. and on top of that, the president wants to raise tax rates on many small business owners. now, even if we did exactly what the president wants, we would see red ink for as far as the eye can see. that's not fixing our problem either, it's making it worse, and it's hurting our economy. i think the members know i'm an optimist. i'm hopeful that we can reach an agreement. this is a serious issue, and and there's a lot at stake. the american people sent us here to work together towards the best possible solution, and that means cutting spending. now, if the president doesn't agree with our approach, he's got an obligation to put forward a plan that can pass both chambers of the congress. was right now -- because right now the american people have to be scratching their heads and wondering when is the president going to get serious. rick: so that, of course, the spea
to the fiscal cliff. >> president obama responded, showing republicans where they could find the details. >> it's not a mystery. we've seen this before. this is the document that contains the specific spending cuts. the speaker of the house sent us a proposal that was two pages long that included one sentence on revenue. the proposal here includes, i believe from pages 17 to 45, details on proposed spending cuts by the president, pages 17 to 45. i recommend them to you. >> so, at this point, a deal before christmas looking unlikely. as senate majority leader harry reid admitted yesterday. but in an interview with barbara walters, president obama predicted that republicans would eventually give in on taxes. >> the most important thing we can do is make sure the middle class taxes do not go up on january 1st, and i'm pretty confident that republicans would not hold middle class taxes hostage to try to protect tax cuts for high-income individuals. >> prediction. are you going to be able to raise taxes, yes or no? >> oh, taxes are going to go up one way or another. >> oh, they are? >> and i think t
's mind right now. with about four weeks to go before that fiscal cliff of tax hikes and spending cuts gets triggered, negotiations still appeared at a standstill on tuesday. karin caifa tells us where everything stands. >> in the midst of a standoff with capitol hill republicans, president obama told bloomberg news that the latest plan put forth by house speaker john boehner, simply doesn't add up. the >> speaker's proposal right now is still out of balance. he talks about, for example, eight hundred billion dollars worth of revenues but he says he will do that by lowering rates. when you look at the math, it does does not work. >> not work. as negotiations as negotiations to avoid the so-called "fiscal cliff" continue, republicans were equally dismissive of the last proposal from the president. >> his proposal was so outlandish i don't think we should go back to the table until he puts something there that we can work with. >> the key sticking point between the two sides hasn't changed -- tax rates for the wealthy. >> the math is clear. the only way to accomplish these things
have had to report on the posturing and talking point known as the fiscal cliff. decisions about taxes and spending are extremely important especially when we are adding $300 billion a day to our debt but the constant bickering of dueling politicians on both sides of the aisle, the endless kicking of the can, the brinkmanship as we approach that disaster is making all americans angry. i think you turned off and tuned out and i don't blame you. who can sit still and watch our country dragged into ruinous-and not be a little frustrated? as i said many times i came here from europe 40 years ago and instantly felt the warm embrace of a truly generous and free society and now i see america galloping down the european road. we have already reached european levels of debt and our leaders give as political pablum. we deserve better than this. the other night i left the fiscal cliff behind and took a walk through new york city. it was great. the lights, the christmas tree, rockefeller center, crowds of people with their children. was such a switch. "varney and company" will not walk away from t
spending. they said, quote: this is going to be a tough fight in the congress given the fiscal cliff. some members have not been friendly to disaster relief. but the care with which the package has been put together has given us a good head start. although that head start not good enough for at least one republican member of congress frank says governor christie made a responsible request federal aid based on careful comprehensive analysis of new jersey's needs having seen the devastation firsthand in my district during his visit. i'm disappointed president obama has come to a different conclusion. we should not short change nor add strings to the support residence, businesses and communities in my district and across the region desperately need and at least 125 people were killed by super storm sandy. right now the u.s. government saying sandy is on track to be the second or third costliest natural disaster ever behind hurricane katrina and close to hurricane andrew in 1992. clayton? >> peter doocy live from d.c. >> now for your headlines might be the biggest arrest related to that terror
is that this plan is not a balanced. the fiscal cliff involves nearly four dollars of anticipated revenue from higher taxes for every dollar of spending cuts, yet the president wants more revenue and fewer spending cuts. if we fell off the cliff, his plan calls for another round of stimulus spending. you have got to be kidding me. what the president's plan lacks is any reform in our entitlement system. the unrestrained growth in entitlement system is driving deficits and driving the debt even higher than the percentage of our gdp. it is estimated to be as high as $128 trillion. even if they confiscate all of the income that excesses $1 million, we cannot pay for the entitlement commitments that the federal government has made. we have made promises to ourselves that we simply cannot keep. without some sensible entitlement reform, our credit rating will be downgraded again. we will become a country that none of us recognize. secondly, fiscal plans failed to achieve their government budget deficit or debt reduction goals. dr. hassett has examined fiscal plans in other countries. on average, unsu
. ♪ host: we will spend about two hours this morning on the "washington journal" talking about the fiscal cliff. we want to start off hearing from you on a different topic. what do you think about hillary clinton's future and her running for president in 2016? that is our question this morning on the "washington journal." you can start dialing in now, or you can contact us via social media. you can make a comment on our facebook page. you can also send us an e-mail. from "the hill" newspaper yesterday -- a new poll by abc news and "the washington post." 57% say they support a presidential bid from every clinton in 2016. -- from hillary clinton in 2016. 68% approved of her work as secretary of state. 66% hold a favorable view of clinton after her department has faced criticism over the handling of benghazi and libya. clinton also has heavy support in new york were 54% of registered voters say they would support a presidential bid by her in 2016. that is an "the hill" newspaper. we have lots of facebook comments already on this question. we want to share a couple of those with thieu. jackie
is designed to go over the fiscal cliff, and pin the blame on the republicans, i understand why the president is doing it for political reasons but i don't think that the republicans have to surrender themselves in this game of chicken. lou: it seems the ultimatum, raise taxes on top 2%, why not let him eat to, it is his decision, go for it, if you don't want a mature, and intelligence, and responsible negotiation, you do not know who you are dealing with, it is called a constitutional body of government. >> it is john's right, this is politics, hard and fast, 1995 all over again, stakes are high and and president wants house back, pin the blame on the republicans make them look like right wing lunatics and grab the chips, they are in a no-win position. lou: we'll be back, marianne has to weigh in and a bunch more as we continue with the a team stay with us. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] they are a glowing example of what it means to be the best. and at this special time of year, they shine even brighter. come to the winter event and get the mercedes-benz you've always wished for, now for an exc
of course and the prospect of increased taxes as we get closer to the fiscal cliff. looks like everybody's taxes are going up no matter how this thing is comes out. consumer spending accounts for more than 2/3 of economic output. especially important at this time of year of course when a lot of sectors in all of these areas have been struggling, here is a bit of good news. martha: okay. take it. bill: not a lot. if you're driving on the road, thanks to shrinking demand manned lower fuel prices gas is sinking like a stone. a drop of 34 cents in the past month. in st. louis, drivers paying just over $3. even l.a. is paying 3.68. which is below four bucks where they have been for a very long time. even further drops expected in the coming days. martha: a devastating loss this morning. jennie rivera, the mexican american singer on the verge of crossing over to this country in u.s. popularity is presumed to have been killed when a private plane crashed in monterrey, mexico. authorities have not confirmed her debt. her relatives say they have few doubts she was on board that plane. she was hea
slow walk the process, the closer our economy gets to the fiscal cliff. herhere's what we do know. we know the president wants more stimulus spending and an increase in the debt limit without any cuts for reforms. that is not fixing our problem, frankly, it is making it worse. on top of that, the president wants to raise tax rates on many small-business owners. but even if we did exactly what the president wants, we would see red ink for as far as the eye can see. that is not fixing our problem either, just making it worse. i think the members know i am an optimist. i am hopeful we can reach an agreement. this is a serious issue and there's a lot at stake. the american people sent us here to work together. toward the best possible solution, and that means cutting spending. now if the president doesn't agree with our approach, he has an obligation to put forward a plan that can pass both chambers of the commerce. because right now the american people have to be scratching their heads and wondering when is the president going to get serious. >> to some that all up, house republicans hav
of this is that some people are trying to downplay the affects of the fiscal cliff saying if we go over for a few days it will be okay. ceos aren't saying that. you look at third quarter gdp, companies are spending less money on software and equipment because they don't know what's going to happen. the effects of the fiscal cliff are already holding back some things. >> of course. what stood out to me from howard schultz, the people that need it the most, the average american will feel this to the core. confidence is the corner stone. >> it makes you make decisions, big decisions, small decisions. i'm not going to buy that or do that, i'm scared to death. here's my question for the two of you. are more big ceos falling in line with the yes, let's raise the taxes on the 2%? >> if i don't know if a majority. would you say a majority? >> i think they want a deal and people have to make -- it's hard to make compromises. >> we've heard it from goldman sac sachs, warren buffett, schultz. >> big names there. >> they want clarity. the interesting thing to me, the stock market and bond market haven't freaked o
which we're calling the fiscal cliff, when you have automatic tax increases and spending cuts, but as we, you know, the time goes, it's been three weeks since the election, i'm growing increasingly pessimistic. >> we're been talking about it on the show, chris, and brought up a couple of times that the president, if he does nothing, the tax cuts expire, and the defense cuts go into place, which is largely what the democrats want to have happened and republicans now making the argument. perhaps the president is not going to negotiate because he wants to simply step back and want things to unfold. do you buy that. i think he does want to compromise because if this were to go on long enough. i don't think it happens the first week after the fiscal cliff, but if you continue with this and all of the things that happen, all of the bush tax cuts expire, not only on the rich, but also the middle class, the spending cuts, about 100 million in the first year, you could grow according to the congressional budget office or unemployment back over 9% and the president clearly doesn't want that, but
and the specific spending cuts specific revenue increases that reduce the deficit and avoid the fiscal cliff. we should not put out the hard decisions with gimmicks or triggers. that is what got us here in the first place. at this time to bite the bullet -- it is time to bite the bullet and make the tough decision. the first thing we should do is immediately and eminently extend the middle class tax cuts. this decisive action will ensure that millions of american families do not see a tax cut. -- a tax hike of $2000 in the next two months. we need a long-term solution. most serious plans recommend about $4 trillion to restore the balance. interest savings revives another $600 billion. brining home our troops from iraq and afganistan brings another $800 billion. this plan will strengthen the economy. it will put us on a stable path forward. it must ramp up over time if we will avoid slowing down the economic recovery. 40% of the long-term growth of federal health programs is due to rising healthcare costs. 40%. 60% is due to americans aging. 10,000 americans turn 65 every day. in fact, each and e
going to be proven right or whong? larry, we are going to avoid the fiscal cliff resection. the white house is acting with impunity right now. and the white house is so far said look, we want to continue talking about one quarter of the president's own architecture. the president said there was a three to one ratio between savings and cuts and revenue. but they have been silent on this. >> little bit of breaking news. >> wow, the studio is shaking. mr. bhoener is at $800 million. no new information on then ti e ti tiltment. i'm suggesting. it is a game of chicken. neither party can afford this kind of recession. after what we've been through we can't take it. if that meanstending the tax cuts so be it. let me accept your premise. but i have to pile on more. something that is worse is a debt crisis. if you have a white house that is committed from going from $16 trillion in debt which is where the obama administration would lead us. what do you do with that knowledge? what if you come to the view that the president has created in the state of illinois which is a basket case today. it h
of the -- it is not just the post but companies are pushing dividends forward saying let's get in front of the fiscal cliff thing it is interesting that the post is one of them. >> they spent the year agitating for barack obama and arguing that the rest of the us ought to pay taxs and spending money trying to avoid doing that. it is not just the post but also individuals. we sent a camera with the patriotic millionaires. rich people who are up there lobbying for higher taxes on the wealthy and we said look, you have an opportunity to right now donate to the federal treasury and not one of them took us up on it. of course not. these are people who campaigned for barack obama and on behalfful higher taxs and spend millions every year avoiding taxos attorneys and tax accountants. >> eric: steve read a story about google putting millions in bermuda . then tack i this one. jim sevenegal, this man spoke in the dnc. they did the same thing. they declared themselves a dividend in 2012 so they avoid the potential higher taxes was 2013. y >> if there is a clearrer definition of hypochrissy i am not aware of it. it i
the importance of not going over the fiscal cliff and the importance of having a balance of new revenue and new spending cuts. jay carney with a briefing at 12:30. >> this is "the bill press show." [ music ] >> what do you say in good morning, everybody. fellow americans, it's good to see you today. thank you for joining us, and welcome to the "full-court press" here on current tv. your progressive morning show. the only progressive morning show anywhere on cable television. good to have you with us this morning as we discuss the big issues of the day, and, of course take your calls. always welcome at 866-55-press. and let's look. let's do the countdown. there are 12 shopping days until christmas 19 days until we go over the fiscal cliff but according to the mayan calendar only nine days until the end of the world. so if the mayans are right we don't have to worry about all of the rest of it. what if they are wrong? uh-oh. watch out. we will be up to date and first the latest, the day's current news update from waslisa ferguson as always joining us from our stu
cliff or avoiding it might not be a bad thing, but i want to ask you. we talked about spending cuts. 60 billion dollars budget. will we get that much of a spending cut to go along with the tax increases on the upper end and the tax extensions in the middle? >> the sequestration is its own silo. you and i may see, will they change the mix on spending reductions? i think the dollar amount stays. >> the dollar amount. so $60 billion, more or less. >> more or less. >> it's homeland security, not just defense. >> yeah. that's always been one of the mischaracterizatio mischaracterizations. think of it as all national security. there's other parts that go into medicare providers also. >> can i possibly talk you into leaving the capital gains tax rate alone and the dividends tax rate? they're pro investment, pro capital formation. they help inves tors and retirees and help start new businesses. i know certain tax rates will goup whether i like it or not. can icon vince you to leave capital gains alone? >> it's all on the table. only two people know. that's president obama and speaker baner. i h
: rich edson, thank you very much, rich. lauren: with all the uncertainty surrounding fiscal cliff should you invest differently right now? david: one economist says investors have to look beyond the fiscal crisis. we have senior economist at oppenheimer fund joins us now. more than that, what you say you've got the perfect split. -p60/40, 60 being equities and 40 being dot, dot, dot, something else. how do you devise, some people are gold bugs say it is all gold. cash bugs, say you have to be flexible, keep it in cash. how do you divide the 40% not in equities? >> first of all we took a step back and looked how investors allocated portfolio. there is generally 60/40 split between stocks and bonds but 60% predominantly in domestic ex-quits and 40% in high grade economic instruments. david: none is in the cash. >> cash, government relate the ed securities. if you look at 40%, that might have made sense 30 years ago when yields on treasurys were siinificantly higher and inflation was falling for a 30-year time period. if you look at it yields are paltry. what do you need to do? we talk abou
a deal on the fiscal cliff. but a few republicans now say that maybe the best strategy for them is to accept some higher tax rate that is the president is demanding, get that off the table and then come back to entitlement reform early next year when the president asks for an increase in the debt ceiling. then republicans will have a little more leverage. >> there's a hardening on the republican side. we're not going to raise the debt ceiling. we're not going to let obama borrow any more money or any american congress borrow any more money until we fix this country from becoming greece, and that requires significant entitlement reform. >> reporter: for the record, senator graham is not one of those who favors increasing tax rates on the wealthy. he favors more revenue from them by capping deductions. cheryl and dennis. dennis: thanks very much, peter barnes. and our next guest says many republicans in private are conceding they may have to give president obama much of what he wants. we are joined by potomac research group political strategist, greg vallier. so do you think presi
anybody if we go over the fiscal cliff because that was the deal that they made. tracy: yes, it is crazy. i'm sure you will be talking about it. when you have coming up? >> we have john silva, chief economist at wells fargo to talk about what the new year holds in store for us in the economy. irrespective of the fiscal cliff, we are going to have $270 billion in tax hikes that start effective january 1. thank you, obamacare. nancy pelosi has said that if you want to find out what's in it, just pass it. we are finding out and we are going to have a terrific group of people, including john cruz, the vice president of hsbc, who is the whistleblower on the $1.9 billion in fines if they just had to pay for money laundering along with middle eastern terrorists. mexican drug cartels, african dictators, all of the really nice people that they had no idea where problem. by the way, nobody going to jail will be taking that up. we will have coming up next. tracy: all right, "lou dobbs tonight" at 7:00 p.m. and 10:00 p.m. eastern. when we come back, how to beat the street. covering your assets with
cliff comes, then $600 billion in automatic tax increases and spending cuts will kick in. that could affect a lot of programs in this room. that, wolf, is going to lead a lot of voters, democrat and republican, unhappy. >> tom foreman. dramatic way of explaining what's going on. love that virtual studio he's got over there. thank you. >>> new clues potentially uncovered in a deadly decades old mystery haunting a reform school. you'll find out what researchers think they have found. that's next. i put away money. i was 21, so i said, "hmm, i want to retire at 55." and before you know it, i'm 58 years old. time went by very fast. it goes by too, too fast. ♪ but i would do it again in a heartbeat. [ laughs ] ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] with a select terrain dial that adjusts the jeep grand cherokee's performance for specific weather and road conditions... ♪ ...even heavy snowstorms... won't keep you from getting to work. our apologies. ♪ >>> researchers may have unkfred shocking new evidence of a mass grave at a now closed florida reform school. where years ago family members say d
. that hasn't happened. >> steve: okay. so the fiscal cliff is looming. there are a the lo of people who say the republicans need to stand together and if the president isn't gog deal fairly and offer up some spending cuts and talk about entitlement reform, the republicans need to be willing to hole hands and jump off the fiscal cliff with the president. are you ready? >> we would prefer that didn't happen. there are a lot of bad outcomes. you got a lot of analysis that's been done, ernst says if we go over the fiscal cliff or raise taxes it will cost us over 700,000 jobs, reduce economic growth, lower take home pay, all those things. that's a bad scenario. the president has made it very clear, tim geithner, his treasury secretary said a couple days ago, absolutely we're ready to go over the cliff. republicans don't think that's the solution. but i do think that if he gets what he wants, he gets higher taxes, he gets defense cuts, if we go over the cliff. so i don't think there is a lot of incentive on the president's part right now to be at the table to make a deal, which is why he's not v
negotiations over the so-called fiscal cliff stand. for the first time in a while the president has no public events today. on his agenda he has spent the last few weeks as you know on this relentless pr campaign to talk about it. and his lack of a tuesday to do list adds punch to reports like this one in the "wall street journal" with the headline talks take positive turn. >> john boehner, sitting down with the president, seems these two men are getting the job done, from what we hear. >> it is the serious business because they've got to come to a framework at the end of this week if they're going to get it written in time and passed in time so they all don't have to spend christmas in washington. >> that's right,er. wants to get out of town for the holidays. we are book now with our political power panel. msnbc contributor ron reagan and republican strategist. this is where things stand. last night the president's team called boehner, asked for more details on taxes. boehner's office says that they want more details on spending cuts. so here's what senator bob corker had to say on the deal.
like fiscal cliff, it's got to be exciting. jim? >> the president's asking for $1.6 trillion in revenue. >> $600 billion in tax hikes. >> entitlement reform. >> dividends and capital gains. >> discretionary spending. [ cheers and applause ] >> i'm up. what happened? is it over? [ bleep ] >>> good morning. it's wednesday, december 12th. look at that shot of new york city. >> wow. >> it's dark at 6:00 on the east coast. welcome to "morning joe." with us on set here in new york city, we have msnbc contributor, mike barnicle. >> in my ear, mika. >> no, he was at the white house. >> i don't understand. where's t.j.? >> he's off today. >> why's that? >> he was busy. he went to the white house. >> that's great. you know, alex went to the white house, too. >> and drove back himself. >> let me get this straight. so alex goes to the white house last night. >> mm-hmm. >> because, you know, right-wing bloggers, we actually -- that's how we get our talking points. they go down -- valerie and david axelrod together make a big pot roast for us. >> mm-hmm. >> and lots of gravy. and we sit around eating
on the fiscal cliff. president obama and house speaker john boehner met privately sunday in a surprise meeting, but they're not commenting much in public on whether there's been much progress. joining me now is political science professor and political chief correspondent for politics 365, jason johnson, and republican strategist, ron bon john. some say the fact that we're not hearing much of washington is a good sign, and in this case, silence is golden. you guys agree? >> yeah, i definitely do. look, one of the things that we've got to realize here is that the more that this fight takes place in public, the less is being done behind closed doors, because everyone feels that they have to justify the public rhetoric. so i think that we have two silences going on. there's barack obama and john boehner working things out and the republicans realizing that they've got to find a way to negotiate. so silence is golden for christmas season. >> do you agree, ron bonjean? >> yes, i completely agree. i think that silence is best. and right now while they're figuring out how to put a deal together, i th
. sounds like he will get a deal with the fiscal cliff. that he can go to his base and say here's what i got you. so it sounds like he's going to come out of this latest negotiation strong and so he's going to be able to use that, as you say, use that capital. use that clout to try to get something done and it's very encouraging. you have lindsey graham from south carolina who now probably isn't going to face a primary challenge. because of the demint seat now. working with senator schumer from new york, trying to work this out so if there's any positive repercussions from the demint thing is the fact that lindsey graham might now be more likely to work with schumer graham one of the leaders on this issue and work with the democrats in general to try to get something done. it failed -- the talks failed in 2011. this is another shot. >> bill: well, you know, it is -- it is time for this issue. way pastime. way pastime for this issue. >> use the presidential bully pulpit to get this done. the question is what exactl
the fiscal cliff. they can't agree on which path to take to get there. >>> i don't think republicans or americans want to raise any taxes just to continue this spending in washington. they want a more efficient and more accountable. what we are saying is we need to do what ronald reagan did with tip o'neill, show the leadership to get in the room. same as bill clinton did with newt gingrich. get in the room and make the changes that are needed. >> the president wants to solve the problem. it's what he said in the campaign. it's what he's saying now. we cannot lurch from one crisis to the other. think of all the times tea party republicans and speaker boehner threatened to shut down the government over the debt ceiling. listen, if we are going to have this certainty for businesses to invest and know new jobs are being created we have to get this behind us. >> joining me now, dana millbank and kristina. it's great to have you both here. bob corker said the idea of raising taxes on the top 2% has merit. the question is how much merit it has with speaker boehner and the republican party.
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